Can OSU fans find some perspective?
First off, I'm not here trying to call for Jim's firing after the win against Oregon. All I'm asking for is a little more perspective and rationale as to who JT really is as a coach, and what this win against Oregon really meant.
Did JT get the monkey off his back? Sort of.
Anyone that thinks this Oregon team wasn't over rated and over hyped are nuts. Arizona put 41 pts up against Oregon and lost 33-0 to Nebraska in their crappy bowl game. Let me re-emphasize that, Arizona scored 41 points on Oregon but couldn't muster up ONE single point against Nebraska. Albeit, Nebraska has a great defense, but you mean to tell me they couldn't get 1 single point on the board in a bowl game? Purdue dropped 38 on these guys, and let's remind ourselves, we LOST to Purdue. Stanford dropped half a century on the Ducks defense (51 to be exact). Granted, Stanford turned out to be a dramatically improved team...but nowhere near the top teams in the country. Again, I'm not trying to take away credit of our win or a good showing by the offense, but I hear Buckeye fans talking about Pryor and Tress like they somehow transformed themselves into Peyton & Dungy. We scored 26 points on a team that routinely gave up 30 points to teams just for showing up...kind of like the SAT that gives you points just for putting your name on the test.
Do we need to be reminded that the Bucks were only up by 2 points after 3 quarters of play? The Buckeyes dominated this team and we only had a 2 point advantage after 3/4 of the game? The Ducks barely had the ball, OSU set a record for time of possession, but again, we could only muster up a 2 point advantage after 3 quarters of play (sorry for the broken record effect)? You may think that I'm splitting hairs and am hopelessly dissecting something that we should all be happy about, but the Buckeyes routinely play close to the vest in score, which works against them when playing better teams.
Remember Iowa? We dominated them, but needed them to make some brain-dead coaching decisions at the end of the game in order to ice the victory. Yes we won, but it was close, and it shouldn't have been.
Moving back further, USC: Played it tight to the vest, lost by 3 points.
....(I won't mention the Purdue loss)
...even further, Texas in the Fiesta Bowl: Had to make a 4th quarter comeback down 17-6 in order to take a brief lead at 21-17, but still lost.
....before that, Penn State 2008: Lost 13-6
....further back, USC 2008: 35-3
....still going, LSU 2008: 38-24
.....yep, there's more, Illinois 2007: 28-21
....oh wait, here's one more, the infamous 41-14 beat down
Is Tress a good coach? YES. Does he recruit well, run a clean program, and win a large number of games with his style? YES. Is he known to win the big game (currently)? NO. Does he run a modern offense? NO. Does he even have top notch offensive coordinators/coaches? NO.
So, what do we want??? We want Tress to bring in a REAL offensive coordinator, a REAL quarterback coach, and meet his true potential as a head coach. That's it.
Did JT get the monkey off his back? Sort of.
Anyone that thinks this Oregon team wasn't over rated and over hyped are nuts. Arizona put 41 pts up against Oregon and lost 33-0 to Nebraska in their crappy bowl game. Let me re-emphasize that, Arizona scored 41 points on Oregon but couldn't muster up ONE single point against Nebraska. Albeit, Nebraska has a great defense, but you mean to tell me they couldn't get 1 single point on the board in a bowl game? Purdue dropped 38 on these guys, and let's remind ourselves, we LOST to Purdue. Stanford dropped half a century on the Ducks defense (51 to be exact). Granted, Stanford turned out to be a dramatically improved team...but nowhere near the top teams in the country. Again, I'm not trying to take away credit of our win or a good showing by the offense, but I hear Buckeye fans talking about Pryor and Tress like they somehow transformed themselves into Peyton & Dungy. We scored 26 points on a team that routinely gave up 30 points to teams just for showing up...kind of like the SAT that gives you points just for putting your name on the test.
Do we need to be reminded that the Bucks were only up by 2 points after 3 quarters of play? The Buckeyes dominated this team and we only had a 2 point advantage after 3/4 of the game? The Ducks barely had the ball, OSU set a record for time of possession, but again, we could only muster up a 2 point advantage after 3 quarters of play (sorry for the broken record effect)? You may think that I'm splitting hairs and am hopelessly dissecting something that we should all be happy about, but the Buckeyes routinely play close to the vest in score, which works against them when playing better teams.
Remember Iowa? We dominated them, but needed them to make some brain-dead coaching decisions at the end of the game in order to ice the victory. Yes we won, but it was close, and it shouldn't have been.
Moving back further, USC: Played it tight to the vest, lost by 3 points.
....(I won't mention the Purdue loss)
...even further, Texas in the Fiesta Bowl: Had to make a 4th quarter comeback down 17-6 in order to take a brief lead at 21-17, but still lost.
....before that, Penn State 2008: Lost 13-6
....further back, USC 2008: 35-3
....still going, LSU 2008: 38-24
.....yep, there's more, Illinois 2007: 28-21
....oh wait, here's one more, the infamous 41-14 beat down
Is Tress a good coach? YES. Does he recruit well, run a clean program, and win a large number of games with his style? YES. Is he known to win the big game (currently)? NO. Does he run a modern offense? NO. Does he even have top notch offensive coordinators/coaches? NO.
So, what do we want??? We want Tress to bring in a REAL offensive coordinator, a REAL quarterback coach, and meet his true potential as a head coach. That's it.
I agree. Let's not take our eyes off the ball based on this one victory. Remember all of the pain caused by our losses to Florida, USC (x2), LSU, Penn State, and Purdue. Tressel needs to improve the coaching staff tremendously. When he installs a top notch offensive coordinator, offensive line coach, and quarterback coach, we can rest a little.
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A little sensitive? I keep forgetting we are not allowed to question the great OZ.
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Kevin...sorry, but I'm not sure what you mean or where you're going with that.
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Kevin - no problem in questioning anything we say here. It is an open forum and all opinions are welcome.
HOWEVER, what is NOT welcome are insults, name calling and ad hominem attacks. Why? Because it's fruitless and immature and ultimately proves nothing.
I've said it countless times before and it bears repeating again ... Mount a cogent, researched and well supported opposing opinion and of course we'll listen. I'll even save you some time. Leave out references to the following:
- Tressel beats Michigan (We know, been there, done that.)
- Tressel wins the B10 (Again, we know.)
- The fans like him. (Ditto ... and by the way, there is no verifiable, scientific survey to support this, it therefore remains opinion, not fact.)
So what do you say? Make a unique supportive argument why Tressel is the ideal coach for Ohio State. Speaking for myself, I'd love to hear it.
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Have we not looked at the Big Ten this year as a good conference? You keep saying that winning the Big Ten doesn't carry much weight, but the conference had a very successful bowl season with wins over Miami, a near win against Auburn, a win against LSU, a win against Oregon and another win against Georgia Tech, and still everyone who pans Tressel says the Big Ten is weak. Well in a rebuilding year he wins the Big Ten, a tougher conference than the people on here give credit to. A lot of the national media have even stated that the Big Ten has had a much better year, but still the "experts" on this site believe it is a weak conference. Can't understand that.
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I love your rationale throughout this entire site. You analyze from both sides of the spectrum and I enjoy that. I disagree on a couple things but thats alright. Just remember this, a win is a win.
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Name calling, sorry if i offend you. I have read all the great analysis on this web site. As that is what we who write to support Tressell are advised to do. Since anyone that makes a post in support we seem to misunderstand the reason this site is here. We are to agree with the site. I did not get the memo on that. Tressel has had one of the best runs in OSU history. I may not agree with all the calls he has made over the years, but I also do not attest to being at practice or in the film room to make a solid call.
As far as name calling, again sorry, did not understand that is a immature issue, I really was going for sarcasm but I keep forgetting that has been outlawed and is no longer permitted(Sarcasm oops immature) I hate it when I am the only one laughing at my jokes. I just do not take myself that seriously to think I know more than anyone, I tend to think we all have an opinion you may not like it but we all have one. As far as proof of his ability 94-21 John Cooper 111-43, Earle Bruce 81 26 1 We all know Woody. I was always told, winning isn't everything it is the only thing. He does win.
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Kevin, at the end you say "...I was always told, winning isn't everything it is the only thing. He does win."
Yes, Tressel wins most of the time...but there's no doubt that he's also lost every big game in the last few years except the Oregon game.
As a big time coach, you're measured by big game wins and bowl wins, not how many times you beat Youngstown, Akron, Kent, and Toledo. Tress' record on big games against top ranked teams and big bowl games has pretty much sucked as of late (except against Oregon). If you don't believe us on that, you're the one that needs a memo.
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I just can't believe this website exist. Coach Tressel is the model coach and person we want at OSU. Most colleges in the country would love having him coach their football teams. Class, integrity, and winning. That's what coach gives you!
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Memo: Win 81% of your games and you are a loser. I mised that one.
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Look here yeah those teams put up big numbers against Oregon. But guess what the Ducks still came out on top so calling them over rated. Your a f_cking idiot!!!!!
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What? You guys beat the worst pac ten rose bowl team in atleast 15 years and now he is off the hook. How short your memory is. You will be reminded next season when you suffer another infamous bowl blowout at the hands of some SEC team.
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Thought you guys might get a kick out of this.
http://sportschump.net/2010/03/13/fun-you-can-have-when-your-friends-leave-their-collegiate-gear-behind/3227/
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Chris -
Many thanks for the link and laugh! That's a great way to not take oneself too seriously.
Clever too.
Now if we can only find a similar "head" of RichRod or UrbanM ... maybe even JoePa?
Silliness!
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I am of the view that people like Big M are doing more harm than good to sports with their blogs. I think we played really well during our match against Oregon. It is immaterial whether Oregon is a strong team or not. Also we need not bother about their performance against other teams. What matters most is whether we managed to win or not. In my view we worked really hard and hence we were able to win.
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